Gist Healthcare Podcast

Why the Physician–APP model isn’t delivering and how to fix it

KauffmanPodcast
By J Carlisle Larsen
16 min readJan 26, 2026
Strategy partnerships and innovationWorkforce management and culture

Gist Podcast

Advanced practice providers are a growing part of the healthcare workforce, but many organizations aren’t necessarily seeing the productivity gains they expected. On today’s episode, we examine new Kaufman Hall insights on why traditional physician-APP models often underperform, and how redesigning team roles, incentives, and compensation could yield better outcomes for clinicians and patients alike. Bonnie Proulx, DNP, APRN, PNP-BC, FAAN, Senior Vice President with Kaufman Hall and a member of the firm’s Physician Enterprise practice, joins the podcast to explain more.

You can read Bonnie’s blog post here.

Author

J Carlisle Larsen

J. Carlisle Larsen

Vice President, Senior Producer

J. Carlisle Larsen, JC, is Vice President, Senior Producer for Kaufman Hall. Her responsibilities include breaking down healthcare business and policy news. Prior to joining Kaufman Hall, JC spent 10 years working in the Midwest WDET-FM (Detroit’s NPR Station) and Wisconsin Public Radio covering a wider range of topics, from social issues to healthcare politics. Her work has appeared on...